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for truth really eroded kerry's appeal and he never responded. the obama campaign borrowed a page from that undermining romney's business credentials. at that the strategy was smart at the time but the first debate it was almost too easy for him to look reasonable and he just shed that hold caricature. for a few weeks there, it really did it tumbled the race. that was the one real opening he had. >> i already talked about campaign 101 and it was never clear -- why romney and not obama? in terms of meeting to talk to people looking back to 2004 and president bush talking to hispanics, when our party talks to hispanics, it works. martinez, rubio, lots of examples. one person i have to say i have a bias towards is bobby jindal. he can articulate to conservatives and he has put them in practice, by partisanship, getting a thing is done. i do think there's a great future and a lot of real leaders in the republican party who can articulate conservative policies. >> we have a terrific second panel coming up in a few minutes. i do see some of our speakers here, but i want to ask if there were
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